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Josie Walsh, Seeing Red

Possibly one of Los Angeles’ best kept terpsichorean secrets, artistic director, choreographer, and teacher Josie Walsh has decidedly forged a path unlike any other. As founder of her own troupe, BalletRed, Walsh, born in Los Angeles to a screenwriter father and beauty queen, actress, and writer mother is the artistic director of Joffrey Ballet School summer intensives in Los Angeles and San Francisco. In addition, she’s created the JoffreyRED apprentice program in the City of Angels and recently choreographed a duet that was seen by millions in 160 countries on Netflix’s reboot of “Star Search.”

Josie Walsh instructing a class at the Joffrey Ballet School. Photograph by Regan Simeon

Indeed, her choreography is a canny blend of what can best be described as extreme ballet, hip-hop, aerial work and martial arts, the mash-up also featuring industrial rock music, composed by her husband, Paul Rivera. As for her ballet cred, the striking redhead has danced professionally with the Joffrey Ballet, Oregon Ballet Theatre and the Ballett Zürich in Switzerland, where she began her dancemaking career. 

Moving on to freelance projects throughout Europe before returning to Los Angeles—where she continues to rack up an impressive number of choreographic contributions to TV, film, and stage productions—she has drawn raves for her work. Indeed, the Los Angeles Times’ Lewis Segal once described an early show, “CarniVinyl,” as “a Las Vegas production in miniature, with big ambitions and plenty of talent to realize them.” In 2002 she created “Avalon,” her take on the King Arthur legend, and later tackled Margaret Mitchell’s Civil War classic in a spoofed up “Gone With the Whim,” where she danced Viven—as in Leigh—aka Scarlett O’Hara. 

In 2007, Walsh was named “25 to Watch” by Dance magazine, while she was also featured as, “A Face to Watch” in the LA Times in 2014. Now 54, she has also received a number of ballet commissions, including making works for the YAGP Gala in New York and Florida, the full-length “Secret Garden,” created for State Street Ballet, and “Texture of Time” for Festival Ballet Theatre, as well as for troupes that include Los Angeles Ballet and Harvard Ballet.

Fjord Review caught up with the über-busy Walsh by phone recently. The conversation ranged from how she navigates directing the historic Joffrey Ballet school and running her own boundary-pushing troupe, to what excites her most about the next generation of dancers and choreographers.

 

Was there dance in your family, and why ballet?

My dad [Joseph Walsh] was big child star, and he was asked to be in the original “West Side Story,” but he couldn’t sing or dance. My mom said she was a triple threat, because she couldn't sing, act, or dance, but she still booked everything because she was beautiful and ballsy and would go on every audition. Once she saw there was a belly dancing audition, but she read it wrong. She got a belly dancing outfit and showed up to a ballet audition. That was my mom for you!

When I was five, my parents split, and I moved to New York with my mom. I was dancing around the living room and my sister said, “Mom, Josie's dancing fancy” so my mom took me to Broadway Dance Center and put me in tap. I cried the whole time, so she put me in a jazz class with Phil Black. He was a very famous, notoriously mean teacher in New York but very respected. I took class with him almost every day and then he said, “Do you want to be a real dancer? You need to take ballet five days a week.”


And the rest is history: You moved back to LA with your mom and studied at several ballet schools, including Westside Ballet. But what first drew you to choreography and artistic direction, and how have those early impulses evolved into the style you’re known for today?

My choreography didn’t come through ballet teachers. When I went to Ballett Zürich in Switzerland for three years, I was 23. I’ve always been creative, but I was surrounded by amazing choreographers and dancers that wanted to be choreographers. They all wanted me to assist them on projects, and I loved coming up with phrases. I realized that I could do this but didn’t think I had the confidence I could do this on my own.

That came when I moved back to L.A., which was the last place I wanted to be as a ballet person, because this is a hard town for ballet. But I also knew that I was going to meet my husband if I moved home. And I did. I met Paul at a store that’s no longer there, and he moved in with me two weeks later.

BalletRed, directed by Josie Walsh

BalletRed, directed by Josie Walsh

You and Paul Rivera married in 1999 and made a series of works together that were dance-driven but used aerial-based circus arts to enhance choreographic opportunities - a way to successfully defy gravity. You’re still creating large-scale shows with BalletRed, but they seem far afield from directing the Joffrey Ballet School summer intensives. Do these artistic roles feed each other, or do you consciously keep their missions distinct?

This is my 15th year with Joffrey, and I created the San Francisco program from scratch. It was the first contemporary ballet program for the school. It’s a program I wished I had growing up, because it was that you either get strict classical or multi-genre, but they’re both really high-end contemporary and high-end classical in one, which is, honestly, the only way you’re getting a job in this day and age. 

I also created Joffrey Red here about five years ago. It’s a collaboration between my company and the school, [and] since contemporary ballet has become all the rage now, it’s a big success. I have a very specific style in my company, so they proposed to call it Joffrey Red. It’s my signature work, [but] the format is the same. It’s classical ballet and point mixed with contemporary [and] is the same format in all three programs. 


You and Paul have a daughter, Avalon, who just turned 18. She sings and dances in your shows, so I’m wondering how you think about narrative. Do you build stories, atmospheres or psychological states and what role does music play?

For me, it’s very music-driven, but I do think of concept and narrative. My best ballets are narrative, because people want to connect. When I did my show, “Sirens,” [2023] I used a singer, and it’s her story; it’s all spinning off of her. She’s narrating through song and music. My revamped “Secret Garden” [2025] was also a narrative where people really can connect. 

I work with Paul with the music. What’s hard is that music takes time. That’s where we use the Joffrey to create. Since my company is project-based, I tend to meet dancers in my Joffrey programs. They come to me because they’ll see my company, and they’ll want to train. We use summer programs to build new music and work. All my shows are an hour-long in a warehouse, and it’s a long process. 


BalletRed experiments with technology, multimedia and unconventional structures. How do you bring that spirt of experimentation into a conservatory environment, i.e., The Joffrey? Is it an easy fit? 

No. What I do with my shows, I'm not bringing into a summer program with students. My choreography and my style and Paul's original music, yes—and Paul always creates a new score. When I do my shows, it’s Paul's band—guitar, drums cello. He also plays dulcimer and singing bowls—soundbathy stuff.

And he does a lot of electronics mixed with organic [sounds]. It’s warm, natural instrumentation mixed with industrial programming. He’s a mad scientist, which is cool. So, there’s the band and a singer, and Avalon dances, too. 

How many dancers are in BalletRed, what’s their age range and what are your most recent productions?

We have between 14 and 17 artists for our shows, including Sienna Morris, who did a duet with Joey Vice for “Star Search” [“Beautiful Things”]. Sienna is young; she’s 19 now and started with me when she was 15. Joey is a longtime alumnus and 2026 faculty member with Joffrey. I prefer that the dancers are over 18. I also use two aerialists and specialty acts, with seven additional dancers.

I’ve done four world premieres, and my show, “Royal Matrix,” in 2024, was pretty major. It was immersive: There was a bar, a DJ, and then a kick-ass show.

Samantha Striplin and Natalie Palmgren in Josie Walsh's “Sirens.” Photograph by Biglights

Samantha Striplin and Natalie Palmgren in Josie Walsh's “Sirens.” Photograph by Biglights

If Coachella had a ballet company, BalletRed would be it, which brings me to this: What’s the state of contemporary ballet today, and what qualities do you look for in young dancers that might not have been emphasized, say, a decade ago?

For me, it’s having that wide skill set. I didn’t grow up in the competition world, but dancers that did, most of them are in ABT. They’re comp kids who then focus on classical with their skill set—their ability to do every type of contemporary, hip-hop, ballroom. And when they’re so versed in different styles, their musicality allows me to play with all different styles.

I’m very eclectic naturally. I’ve always been a closet hip-hop dancer my whole career. And I’m very musical, so I prefer dancers that have all the training in their body, but they have had to commit to classical at a high level, because you can’t do contemporary if you haven’t trained at the highest level of classical.

For my company, BalletRed, dancers that have training in all different styles, really understand the different musicality and modalities of floor work and different attacks that help with the live band and the music. All of them have a high level of classical training. I also get commissions on classical ballerinas to do a contemporary piece for my company.

The thing about me is that I’m a chameleon. I’m good at bringing the best out of whoever I’m working with. I have my style, but when I get a commission, I don’t force my thing on them. I pull out what is the best in them; I know how to energize that. 


What excites you most about the next generation of dancers and choreographers?

The boundaries that used to exist are not there anymore. The sharing of different styles is so commonplace. For me, the word contemporary means new, and the new keeps evolving. I don’t look at contemporary in a strict way. I’m always reinventing myself and finding the new in myself. Being a teacher, I also have my finger on the pulse of the next generation. 

I feel very relevant. I don’t feel I’m the old guard, because I’m building these dancers. I’m around this all the time. That’s what excites me. I’m always breaking boundaries. I’ve been doing my thing forever. I remember Colleen [Neary] and Thordal [Christensen, Los Angeles Ballet’s co-founders] once said, “She’s too rock and roll.”  

But I’ve always thought outside the box. Classical ballet is traditional—and I love tradition, but for me, it’s honoring tradition and taking it into the future. It’s not distancing it; it’s an evolution of something very dear, and I think that's what's going to keep bringing the younger generation to it. 

These TV shows always reach out to me, because my work is accessible to a wider audience, because the world at large only thinks of ballet as “Swan Lake” and “Nutcracker.”

My work is not commercial in the sense where it’s cheap or sold-out; my stuff is far from that. And I can see where people try to make ballet sexy or burlesque, and it's kind of cheesy. I don’t do that. I don't think I've been trying to do anything other than just being true to myself in my own way. It’s what I prefer, even the way I teach as an artist and a dancer.


In other words, you’re helping define the next generations of dancers through your work as teacher, choreographer and artistic director. 

Nobody taught the way I taught with different music, and now everyone does. I wanted to be an acupuncturist—I’ve always been into spirituality and wellness—because the ballet world was rough for me to grow as a woman and a human. My last year in Zürich, I had an eating disorder, but to look like an anorexic 12-year-old boy wasn’t going to work anymore. Bringing that holistic world and the contemporary world and the yoga world that I was enamored with, that sort of created my own style of class.

And because I’m also a choreographer, I wanted to choreograph in my ballet classes, and that became popular. It was also for people who love ballet but have been rejected. I was at the Edge [Performing Arts Centre], and my classes were filled with hip-hop dancers, commercial dancers, ballet dancers. That’s how I got into circus stuff, because there was a ton of ex-Cirque du Soleil dancers who asked me to collaborate with them. 

It's through training that keeps me connected. It’s very grounding, because when you see something on stage, it didn’t just get there. It’s a process. You got to show up every day. You got to train. You gotta do the work. The performance is like a quick celebration: that massive mountain, then there's that little peak, and everybody comes and applauds.

Audiences have no idea that it’s about a daily grind of showing up. And that's why I always say to my dancers, “Performance is that celebration. Let's just celebrate. Don't even get in your head about it. Just go out there and celebrate our hard work and share it with people. Literally, let's just share and celebrate!”

Victoria Looseleaf


Victoria Looseleaf is an award-winning, Los Angeles-based international arts journalist who covers music and dance festivals around the world. Among the many publications she has contributed to are the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times, Dance Magazine and KCET’s Artbound. In addition, she taught dance history at USC and Santa Monica College. Looseleaf’s novella-in-verse, Isn't It Rich? is available from Amazon, and and her latest book, Russ & Iggy’s Art Alphabet with illustrations by JT Steiny, was recently published by Red Sky Presents. Looseleaf can be reached through X, Facebook, Instagram and Linked In, as well as at her online arts magazine ArtNowLA.

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