You became the first person of color appointed to SAB’s permanent faculty who neither trained nor danced with NYCB. How has that experience shaped your philosophy on training and access?
That was a huge honor. It kind of affirmed that I was doing the right things, and that I was teaching the right way, because the thing that I'd see in my travels, is that a lot of dancers of color are being taught by other people of color who are doing the very best that they can and have all the best intentions. But because their teachers haven’t got certain pedagogical training, they're passing on a version of the ballet steps and the technique that isn't up to par.
A lot of these kids go into auditions for major ballet schools and get rejected, and immediately feel it's because of their race, but there's a gap in their training. For me, having access to the information [I had in my training], I felt like I needed to be in a place where I can have a seat at the table and get the messaging to the right people to help bring the change that I know can happen.
When SAB reached out and asked me to come on, it felt like a responsibility—that a lot of eyes would be on me – but it felt like a good chance to get into the building and be with the source and help them figure out exactly how to help people who look like me take the next step in this art form.
Amen to that, Christopher! You first worked with Francis Patrelle as a teenager at Ballet Academy East. How does it feel to return now as Artistic Director of the troupe he founded and made some 50 works for?
It feels like a huge honor; it feels right. I’ve done a lot of learning and experiencing different things in order to step into leadership. I feel like I’m at a point in my career where I’ve had so many experiences —good and bad—helping put the art form forward. But it’s different now, because I’m not on somebody’s faculty of how they want things done. I now have almost the ultimate decision-making power on how things go forward.
Working with Francis, I understood how he felt about giving people an opportunity because they were willing to show up and do the work, and not just like, “Oh, this is the most talented person; this one has an amazing resume.” People deserve a chance to try and dance, and I resonate with that.
I love ballet pedagogy and watching people improve. I feel like this is the perfect position for me to get a lot of these freelance dancers who want an opportunity to perform and help them sort through some of the technical things that are maybe missing.
What aspects of Francis’ leadership do you feel most compelled to carry forward?
I think his ability to dream big and his willingness to allow the space to be safe. One of the things that is paramount for me is making sure that when dancers come into the room with me, they know that they're not coming to get yelled at. They know that they're not walking into an ego trip, [but] that they're going to get their very best from me.
Francis was the same way. He wanted people to come in, and if he would teach class, he would say, “Does anyone have anything new and positive to share?” Sometimes that might start class a bit late, because people had stuff to say, but it was great, because it set the atmosphere. That's what I do with the “give yourself a hug” moment.
I also think his ability to see someone's potential was wonderful, like how he saw stuff in me that I wasn't quite able to see. Francis was so gentle with how he required more of me. I think that's a quality I took from him, and I confidently pass that forward as I go into the studio. He would give you feedback or a correction or call something out that he noticed, and he would get you together in such a beautiful way where you felt like a family member was looking out for you.
Ballet companies are grappling with questions of relevance, representation and sustainability. What do you see as the most urgent issue, and how do you plan to address it?
Generally speaking, ballet companies are struggling to make ends meet in terms of funding, so I think the most pressing issue is continuing to fundraise. But I think what needs to happen, is that we all have to get clear on our values and who we are as institutions and organizations.
If we're professing to do this thing, if our mission is to tell stories and give access and opportunities to people, that needs to be the driving force in all that we do. If we can center that and continue to find the right ways to raise funds, we can continue working in a way that is meaningful, not in a way that necessarily gets us the biggest spread in the paper or a big splash, or making some viral sensation, but that we're doing work from the heart for the hearts of the people.
What's going to matter most to me, is making sure that what we're doing is in alignment with our values. Not everything's going to land with the critics or with some audiences, [so] I also want to be able to center the lives and experiences of the dancer. The dancers mean so much to me, and as a dancer, it wasn't so often that my voice mattered, or that I had a say in what I was able to dance or what stories I was able to tell, [but] through this position, I want to respect my role as artistic director by making the right choices.
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