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This week on Talking Pointes we chat with Boston Ballet principal dancer, John Lam. John has the most incredible story: His Vietnamese parents were refugees who settled in the US. John found dance as a young boy when his daycare offered it as an extra activity, and from there the love affair began. In this beautiful conversation, John talks about the joys of dance, about finding his sexuality, and the moment he came out to his parents. We also talk about navigating race and racism in ballet, meeting his husband and becoming a dad to their two boys, and John's hopes that his parents will one day see him dance.

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Boston Ballet's legendary principal dancer, John Lam talks about the joys of dance, about finding his sexuality, and the moment he came out to his parents. 

Claudia Lawson

Claudia Lawson is a dance critic based in Sydney, Australia, writing regularly for ABC Radio National, ABC Arts, and Fjord Review. After graduating with degrees in Law and Forensic Science, Claudia worked as a media lawyer for the ABC, FOXTEL and the BBC in London, where she also co-founded Street Sessions dance company. Returning to Sydney, Claudia studied medicine and now works as a doctor. She is the host of the award-winning Talking Pointes Podcast.


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